December 2008 Forum Update

My article on Gay Marriage generated two interesting exchanges on this forum. One was from AC and the other from RRD. These exchanges follow in order. A third exchange from a Bail Bondsmen about a News Views item follows these first two exchanges.

From AC:

Re: Gay Marriage

Good article. I agree with almost all of it.

"What would Jesus say?" Jesus would hold that homosexuality and lesbianism is a sin before God. Having settled this, it is important to realize what Jesus would say is not pertinent to the issue on hand. The pertinent question is what would Jesus do? Jesus taught tolerance in all things and in keeping with this it is reasonable to conclude that He would not condone or sanction a group of narrow minded individuals changing a constitution so as to deny a particular group of his children the right to use whatever name they wish for their unions. Furthermore, Jesus would condemn the unmitigated gall of people who use the power of the state to tell other people how to live their lives even if the people in question are living in sin. Morality is not an acceptable basis for law and codifying morality into law offends God. Furthermore, doing this not only is it un-American, it is un-Christian as well. When will Fundamentalist Christians learn that Jesus endorsed the separation of church and state when he said render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and to render unto God what is Gods? Morality is the province of God and civil law which is enforced through the barrel of gun, has no place in the kingdom of God. We live moral lives because we love God, not because some cretin with a gun says we should."

However, if you actually believe this you must continue writing - beginning at Genesis, start rewriting and include most of the New Testament as well. You will need a new religion too because what you have described is not the God of the Bible!

From the Constitution Forum:

I do not have to rewrite the Bible starting with Genesis because I am a Christian and nothing in the Old Testament holds any importance for me. My God is the living God of the New Testament, not the petty God of the Old. Which God do you subscribe to; the real one or the myth.

From AC:

Both Old and New Testaments were written by the Spirit of God. That fact has been the foundation of Christianity for two millenniums. Is your opinion superior to the Westminster Divines? Are you a committee of one to rewrite the Bible picking and choosing as you will? Famous Deist President Thomas Jefferson wrote his own Bible by selecting verses from the New Testament that fit his fancy. It never became popular. If God is the editor of the Bible aren't you usurping His throne by acting as a human editor?

The God of the Bible created the world and everything in it. He created politics, the arts, business, finance, the family, male and female, law, etc, etc. Your God is not the same as my God!

Please do not take my response as an insult. We are on the same side on many issues.

From the Constitution Forum:

I never take issue or are insulted by someone who disagrees with me, especially when they have enough respect to tell me why. If I did, I would have to disown most of my friend and relatives.

Having said this, I take responsibility for everything I do and this being the case; accept no fellow human as an authority on anything and this includes groups of humans including the Westminster Divines. Like everyone else, they are just a group of people with an axe to grind.

I am not out to rewrite the Bible. All I do is seek the truth where ever it leads me. This is how I find God. If I have to discard the Bible to find Him, then I do so willingly and with great Joy. In keeping with God's will, I forgo most of the Old Testament which is a book primarily of fairly tales.

Both the Old and New Testament were written by men who were inspired by God and this being the case, they were not infallible. Evidence is the many absurdities in the Old Testament and the inconsistencies in both the Old and the New Testament. God and the Bible are not one and the same. You make a grave error when you assume this to be true.

God created the world, but he did not create everything in it. For example, he did not create the New World Order. The Devil created this diabolical organization. Don't you believe in a devil?

We both have the same God. I just know a little more about him than you because you place too much credence in what other people want you to believe.

From AC:

I believe in Satan and I believe his mission is exactly as it is outlined in Genesis. He seeks to persuade God's created beings to disobey Him.

There are two kinds of people who claim Christianity: One group reads the Bible and decides what they believe and what they do not believe; the other begins with the knowledge that the Bible is the Word of God (the only Word we have) and reads making every effort to understand what God is saying and what He desires us to do. The former are Satanic since they adhere to Satan's Genesis sales pitch; the latter are Holy since they seek the One True God from the only source He has given us.

If God is God and you are not, you must approach God as a student. If you are God and God is not, you can follow Satan's contention and become like God by determining what you will believe and what you will reject.

Humanism allows the creature to make the decision while true Christianity leaves all decision to God and His Word.

I agree that the Bible is not God but it is the best material description of God available in His creation. When you reject the Old Testament you are rejecting God in favor of your own opinion.

I know you will not agree with my contentions nor would I with yours. However, you must admit that if what you contend is true, the god you worship is quite different than the One I worship.

From the Constitution Forum:

From my perspective, Jim Jones would love to have you in his flock. During the Civil war, the ministers of the South preached that the according to the Bible, slavery was condoned. In the North, it was condemned. You can prove anything with the Old Testament because it contains so many stories which leave it up to reader to decide what God’s intentions are. This being the case, as a Christian and a human being, you cannot just toss your brain into the shitter and say you will believe everything. Your lot in life is to pick and choose according to what is in your heart. By doing this you are not being a humanist or playing in to the hands of Satan, but instead using the gifts that God gave you according to his intentions. You have a free will for a purpose and God does not what you to be a robotron.

There is only one God. However, the God of the Old Testament is quite different than the God of the New Testament. I worship the God of the New. Apparently, you worship the God of both the Old and the New. How is it possible to do this? Is your God a hybrid?

God dwells inside of every one of us. Some easily feel his presence. Others are so deranged that they don’t even know he is there. As we go through life, if we are one of his children, we learn more and more about him. One way of doing this is through the Bible and certainly there are things that we can learn about Him through the Old Testament, but this pales in comparison compared to the New because the God of the Old Testament is the God that He ordered us to forgo. He did this by giving us a most wonderful gift, the New Covenant. Once he did this, he wanted the Old to grow old and disappear. My God is not one of fire and brimstone. He does not turn innocent women into pillars of salt or bring plagues and pestilence on his most loyal followers because he was tricked into testing them. My God is the one true God and above all other things, He is Truth, Love, Tolerance, and Salvation. When you read the Old Testament, you find a God who is none of these things. This is why the Old Testament holds little meaning for me.

From AC:

What you have outlined here is NOT the Christian religion. It is your religion crafted by Alan Adaschik, a product of your reasoning dependent on the accuracy of you own mind. It uses that portion of the Bible you choose to believe and trashes the remainder. It assumes that your selection of what to believe is superior to the greatest minds of Christian history - hundreds of them - and their carefully crafted deductions are inferior to your own. Can you discern a bit or arrogance in that stance?

No, Alan, if your God possesses any greatness, if he has any power, if he truly deserves to be god, you can only approach Him with reverence and a humble attempt to understand His precepts and His Will for you life.

Like all humanists, you have set yourself up as god. If you decide to become a believer in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob you must become obedient to His commands and let Him do the picking and choosing.

Jim Jones was Christian charlatan, and Elmer Gantry. He was never a true Christian.

We will not agree, Alan. Your Christianity blasphemes the Savior that saved me and has guided, blessed, and sustained my life for the past 45 years.

From the Constitution Forum:

I did not trash the remainder of the bible, Jesus Christ did. You refuse to understand this, so what kind of Christian are you. I'll tell you what kind, you call yourself a Christian, but in truth you are a wannabe Jew. If you want to be Jewish, why not just cut the bonds and be Jewish?

Let me put this another way. It is impossible for anyone to follow Old Testament teachings and also follow our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The two paths are as different as day and night. One path is the path of freedom, the other the path of bondage. Most professing Christians of today have a fear of freedom. This is why they are working so hard to take over our government. They fear freedom and this being the case, want to deny it to everyone.

God created man to be free and independent. This is why he gave us a free will. In the Old Testament, man was anything but free and could not live as he willed. He couldn't even wear his hair the way he wanted. Jesus Christ came into the world to change this and free mankind from the shackles of the Old Testament.

As I said previously, you can't have it both ways. You can choose Jesus Christ and freedom or try to reconcile and straddle the Old and the New Testaments. However, be advised that in choosing the latter, the reality of this situation is that you have rejected the former and there are grave consequences for doing this.

From AC:

I will go over this point by point so that you can see the difference between your rendition and orthodox Christianity.

I did not trash the remainder of the bible, Jesus Christ did.” Jesus supported the whole Bible including God's Law. He quoted from the Old Testament.

"You refuse to understand this, so what kind of Christian are you. I'll tell you what kind, you call yourself a Christian, but in truth you are a wannaby Jew" Jews who have refused to accept their Savior are Pharisees, unsaved. Jesus vigorously denounced them.

"Let me put this another way. It is impossible for anyone to follow Old Testament teachings and also follow our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The two paths are as different as day or night. One path is the path of freedom, the other the path of bondage." The forgoing statements are false. The Bible is one book each chapter complements all others.

"Most professing Christians of today have a fear of freedom. This is why they are working so hard to take over our government. They fear freedom and this being the case, want to deny it to everyone." Absolute freedom is like infinity - the human mind cannot conceive it. It is impossible in our world. We are restrained from within and from without. The question is what restraints will result in providing the best milieu. Human governments murdered millions of their citizens during the Twentieth Century. Satisfactory freedom is impossible under human ordinances; they are as varied as human opinions and will ALWAYS end in tyranny. God gave us His Law as a recipe for ultimate freedom. If obeyed they would create righteous, peace, and prosperity. The God of the Bible does not seek our bondage - He seeks our freedom!

"God created man to be free and independent. This is why he gave us a free will." The God of the Bible is a sovereign God whose Will cannot be overridden. He allows us freedom of choice but He can and does overrule our choices at Will.

"In the Old Testament, man was anything but free and could not live as he willed." No, Alan, the Old Testament is the story of God, His Law, His people, their failure to obey His commands, and their ultimate rejection. Peace, freedom, and prosperity reigned when His people obeyed Him. They did under King Josiah and under King David and to a lesser extent under other kings and judges.

"He couldn't even wear his hair the way he wanted. Jesus Christ came into the world to change this and free mankind from the shackles of the Old Testament." No, again, Jesus came into the world to provide forgiveness from sin; initially for the Jews and ultimately for Christians. He also sent His Holy Spirit which empowers His chosen people to see the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in their proper power and glory.

"As I said previously, you can't have it both ways. You can choose Jesus Christ and freedom or try to reconcile and straddle the Old and the New Testaments. However, be advised that in choosing the latter, the reality of this situation you have rejected the former and their are grave consequences for doing this." You are correct in stating the Jesus came to set us free. He set us free from sin and replaced obedience to God's Law as a means of salvation. He did not, however, rescind the need to obey the Law. He said He came to fulfill the Law. If we want to live in freedom we must begin to obey God's Law. We have a choice. We can opt for humanistic law and continue to see human governments enslave and murder their subjects or we can opt to obey God's Law and create peace, righteousness, freedom, and prosperity. So far you have opted for the former.

What I have outlined is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Humanists will refuse to see the Truth and will tear it apart because they do not seek God but are instead intent on maintaining their own superiority. They seek to be like God and will continue to live in chaos and rebellion as a result.

Would that it would bless you but I doubt that it will.

From the Constitution Forum:

There you go again. Hearing what you want to hear, reading what you want to read and seeing what you want to see. Addressing your points in order:

• Because Jesus quoted from the Old Testament does mean he endorsed it as something Christians should live by. The Old Testament foretold of His coming and also foretold of His New Covenant, so obviously, there are some things of value in it. Having said this, have you ever asked yourself why there was a need for a New Covenant? God thought there was. Do you really believe that He would give us one and keep the Old around for safekeeping as you apparently do? Christians are Christians and Jews are Jews. They are two separate and distinct religions. You keep trying to find ways to combine them and this is repugnant to God because it flies in the face of His New Covenant.
• I am not talking about absolute freedom, What I am talking about is freedom from religion as law and this is what the New Covenant is all about. Stop putting words in my mouth and stop thinking you can re-define God’s intentions. You are playing games with the word of God and this is a sacrilege.
• Religious governments are as good at murdering people as sectarian governments. God gave us His law, but he did not tell us to codify it into man’s law. In fact he specifically told us not to do this which is in keeping with His New Covenant. Man’s law, ultimately, is an agreement among men. If the agreement is valid, then all of us enjoy freedom. True, man’s law may eventually lead to tyranny, but in sharp contrast, codifying God’s law into civil law is the ultimate form of tyranny, established the moment we do it. The God of the New Testament gives us freedom. The God of the Old Testament demands our bondage. Why can’t you see this truth? I’ll tell you why, because you do not want to! Your entire approach to God and religion is based upon what other people tell you and what you want to believe. I can understand why you have no problems with this, but let me assure you that Jesus will.
• Again you are putting words in my mouth and making absurd and ridiculous statements. I never said anyone can overrule God’s will. Furthermore, while God can do anything, he has no interest in overruling our will. He gave us our free will so we can use it and our salvation depends upon doing just that. You have rejected God’s gift of a free will and for this you will be condemned. God does not have a high opinion of Robotrons. Why should he save someone who has rejected one of his greatest gifts; their mind? Accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior means that you accept his New Covenant, the path He established for our salvation. This necessarily means that you reject and forgo all aspects of the Old Covenant. Are you so brainwashed that you cannot even understand this simple truth?
• Now you got it right. In the Old Testament you achieved peace and contentment by obeying God but what you do not understand is that in the New Testament, you achieve salvation by loving God. Jesus never promised us peace and contentment. He promised salvation. My God, you really are a Jew and you keeping proving this with every word you write.
• Now you really get it wrong. Jesus Christ came in the world to free all of mankind from the curse of original sin and he did this for everyone at the same time, not initially for Jews and then for Christians. Where do you get this stuff? From the same people who tell you tell you the story of Noah is history?
• Hoboy! Jesus did not set us free from sin. We are all still sinners. What Jesus did was guarantee that we will be forgiven for our sins if we repent and accept Him as our Lord and Savior. My God can’t you read? Nowhere did I ever say that we should not obey God and His law. What I said is that we do not need a cretin with a gun in his hand to enforce God’s law. As Christians we obey God’s law because of our love for Him. As citizens we obey man’s law because we agree to do so. The two are not mutually exclusive and drop this freedom and prosperity bullshit. The real God, the God of the New Testament, never promised us a rose garden. He promised us salvation. What in God’s name keeps you form understanding this? If this is how the Old Testament and what you call Christian ministers are doing to you, then run from them as fast as you can because your immortal soul is at risk.
• I am not a humanist and I am not intent upon maintaining my own superiority. What I am is a person that will not let idiots do my thinking for me. Apparently, you have no problem doing this.
• Obviously, you are an Old Testament lover and place great value in it. This being the case, other than the fact that it foretold the coming of Jesus Christ, what is in the Old Testament that you prize so highly? Specifically, what is in the Old Testament that a true Christian needs to know in order to be saved? Can you tell me this? Please, no more rubbish, just answer this question.

From AC:

Thank you for your comments. I now understand where you are coming from.

From The Constitution Forum:

Thank you. I am gratified that I was able to save you from the cult you were in and convert you to Christianity.

From RRD:

Re: Gay Marriage

So in your opinion does this mean that I have to tolerate Fag's kissing in public (not that I would) while my children can see. Then I get to go home after I get out of jail and explain to them why it is wrong. I know it's not my place to judge folk's but if I am wrong then my God will punish me for it as he will for all the other things that I have or will do wrong.

Leviticus 18:22 "And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing"

From the Constitution Forum:

No, you and your children should not have to tolerate gays kissing passionately in public any more than you should have to tolerate heterosexuals kissing passionately in public. Carrying on sexually in public is wrong, period and most gays refrain from doing so just like most heterosexuals do. Are you going to condemn them all for the excesses of the few? I think not. Do you condemn Russian men kissing in public on the lips? They do it all the time. How do you explain this to your children? They are all closet fags?

I am truly sorry for you that gays exist. However, you should stop and remember that gays are God's children also. They did not choose to be gay, they are born gay and condemning anyone for an act of God is wrong.

As far as Leviticus is concerned, are you Jewish? If not, then why are so concerned with Jewish law and dogma? I thought that by establishing a New Covenant Jesus put and end to all this foolishness.

From RRD:

I agree with you as far as my children and I should not have to tolerate passionate kissing weather the couple in question is gay or not, but regardless of how passionate the kiss is I don't think they or I should have to witness even a little peck on the lips between two men or women. Affection in the manner in which we speak shown between a man and a woman is natural. That being said I believe excessive affection being shown is wrong.

As far as Russian men kissing on the lips, there aren't many Russian men around where I live for my kids to see so that isn't a big concern of mine, but it is still sick in my book.

You say gays are God's children and you are absolutely right, but to say it is an act of god for them to be gay I think you are out of your mind, but you are free to believe as you wish. I don't think when Jesus died for our sins it gave us leave to throw down our morals and act as if we are animals. If this were true why does it say in Matthew 5:17:18: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am come not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

From the Constitution Forum:

I am a Christian and definitely believe that a true Christian is an honest and moral human being. Furthermore, as a Christian it is important for me to set a good example for others and not condone or facilitate immorality. Having said this, I also believe it is wrong for Christians or anyone for that matter to attempt to establish morality through legislation. First of all it can't be done and such efforts are doomed to fail. Secondly, no man or group of men should have the right to force people to live like them through legislation, and third to do so offends God and not in keeping with our New Covenant with Him. The very essence of the New Covenant is that it freed mankind from the tyranny of religion as civil law. Old Covenant = Obey the law. New Covenant = Love God. Under the new Covenant you obey the law because you love God not because some idiot in a position of authority says you should and is so demented that he codifies his beliefs into civil law.

As far as Matthew 5:17:18 goes, like most people you miss its true import. If Jesus or any of his disciples preached that Jesus intended to destroy the law, they probably would have been stoned to death early on and Jesus would never have been crucified. Therefore, the response by Jesus in Matthew was really an evasion of the question. Jesus did not come into the world to change the law; he came to fulfill it as foretold by the prophets. However, left unsaid is that by fulfilling it, the law would be changed forever. This interpretation is substantiated by Jesus Himself when he said, "till all be fulfilled". All was fulfilled with His crucifixation and this is when the law changed.

Most Fundamentalist Christian ministers live in defiance of Jesus Christ and the New Covenant established by him. Like the Pharisees of old, they think religion is meticulously following a set of rules and take pride in how well they do this. They also want absolute and total authority over their flocks not to make them better Christians, but to enhance their own authority and power. They truly do the work of Satan and for this they will be condemned.

From RRD:

Personally I think this leads down a destructive road. If things like this are allowed to continue other sickos such as rapist and child molesters will be saying that they love God so what they do is OK. They will say they were born like that. I'm not buying it! So believe what you wish. As far as I am concerned gay marriage is wrong. Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. And all the crap on TV that promotes being gay is wrong and should be against the law. I was sitting with my 3 year old daughter not to long ago watching Noggin (a kid's channel) and they had this heart warming story of two 13 year old girls sharing there first kiss with each other, and they showed them kissing. I almost lost my mind. Why would someone put this on a kids channel. I'll tell you why, because it has been made cool and different to be gay by people with the go along to get along attitude. Well I say it's bull shit.

From the Constitution Forum:

When a waitress in a restaurant pours the leavings of one ketchup bottle into that of another, it is call marrying. Are you against using the word this way also? Marriage is a word. Words belong to everyone and to use the law to deny the use of a word to anyone or any group of people is wrong. Furthermore, by not denying this use of the word, we are not condoning undesirable behavior or saying that it is acceptable for prime time television.

You are so against gays and lesbians that you wish to codify your aversions into civil law. It is your prerogative to feel and believe as you do, but no one and no group of people has the right to use the law like you want to. This is the very essence of tyranny. Public displays of sexual behavior are wrong. But because they are wrong does not mean that the behavior itself should be banned.

What I am saying is not a destructive road. Instead it is a sound approach to government and governing. The destructive road begins when we allow people to use the law to establish a moral society. Morality is the province of God. Justice is the province of the Law. Let's not mix the two.

News Views Forum Response Item:

In February of 2008, News Views ran the following item about Paul Edward Beeker; a man unfortunately caught up in our drug use eradication system. Bail bondsmen took exception what was written resulting in the exchange which follows the News Views item.

News Views

On January 11th, The Ormond Beach Hometown news ran a Crime Stoppers tip item about 47 year old Paul Edward Beeker who is wanted for failure to appear in court to answer to charges of driving with a suspended license, possession of cocaine, possession of marijuana, and possession of drug paraphernalia. From reading these charges, it should be clear that the only thing Mr. Beeker is really guilty of is living his life, exercising his liberties, and pursuing his own happiness. Okay, admittedly, he shouldn’t be driving with a suspended license, but his license was probably suspended in conjunction with the other charges and as far as they go, if he truly did these things, he is no more guilty of a real crime than the millions upon millions of other Americans who routinely use recreational drugs.

In case you didn’t realize it, the right to use recreational drugs is a fundamental human right according to our Declaration of Independence. I am sure that some of you think this is ridiculous because such drugs are dangerous and take a tremendous toll on society. While a strong case can be made for this about cocaine, the opposite is true for marijuana and if you disagree, then your beliefs reveal deep seated prejudices which more than likely is the result government brainwashing than reality. Marijuana is a drug that is far more harmless than alcohol or cigarettes and a majority of those who know anything about the drug know this is true. Despite this reality, big brother keeps marijuana illegal primarily because so many public officials and employees have a vested interest in doing so. In the mean time, our jails are filling up with innocent people who did nothing worse than the father of our Nation, George Washington did and that is grow and use marijuana.

From a Bail Bondsmen:

In reference to "Paul Edward Beeker" having been featured on Crime Stoppers, for your information Mr. Beeker has an open warrant for Failure to Appear on several charges that include felony charges. The comment about him being wanted for “being a normal human being” makes absolutely no sense. Had Mr. Beeker shown up for court, he could have pled his innocence before the judge, like every other person charged with a crime.

From the Constitution Forum:

I wasn't saying that Mr. Beeker isn't a loser. Having said this, what felony charges are we talking about. If they are associated with his drug use, then my point is that as a citizen, has a right to pursue his own happiness and that includes the use of soft drugs like marijuana. Of course, if his use of marijuana or other drugs causes problems for him or someone else, then he should get medical attention. Millions of people smoke marijuana daily with no ill effects. Is it any benefit to them or society to turn them into criminals? Criminalizing drug use is criminal and has no place in civilized society.

From a Bail Bondsmen:

One of Paul Edward Beeker’s charges was the possession of cocaine. From my experience, the entire chain of drug “use and sale” causes a trickle down effect of criminal activity. In most cases, anyone that is in an altered state of mind due to drug use does not make rational decisions either about themselves or regarding others. Mr. Beeker was also on his 3rd driving with license suspended in Florida in a 3 month period. And as I stated earlier, he also failed to appear in court. Being that he was out on bond, that bond had to be paid out of the bondsman’s pocket ($4,000). I think that constitutes hardship to others for his actions, don’t you?

By the way, I did not see my response to the original comment posted. Having only one point of view posted seems like a violation of free speech to me!

From the Constitution Forum:

I always respond to comments sent to me and the reason I did not respond to our first one is because I never read it. I just changed website hosts and did not recognize the E-Mail that was forwarded from my site. This being the case I deleted them until I realized my mistake. Having said this, I never guarantee to post everything I receive and do so at my discretion. I am not a governmental agency and am not bound by any rules other than the ones I establish. If you want free speech then go to our governments Constitution Forum website. Oh, that's right, they don't have one.

You are a part of our criminal justice system. This being the case, most of the people you see professionally are criminals and most criminals are drug users. This being the case, it is almost impossible for you not to associate drugs with criminality. However, the simple truth of the matter is that most people are drug users and most people are not criminals. However, you never see these people and therefore draw conclusions about drugs and criminality from a statistically biased sample. Again, if Paul Beeker's drug use is his only crime, then he is not a criminal. He is only a criminal because we allowed petty minded/biased people establish our drug policy and they do so by writing unconstitutional laws. Furthermore, cocaine does not produce an altered state of mind in recreational users. The same is true for marijuana for experienced recreational users. Novice users, however, do experience what can be described as a mildly altered state of mind, but this is no big deal because the result of this is mild paranoia which includes a fear of driving.

Again, Mr. Beeker is a loser who has been victimized by "the system". He is in need of psychological help and assistance, but won't get it because we prefer to spend money on locking people up instead of helping them.

June 2008 – Forum Update

This is an exchange between Shirley and myself which occurred when she wrote in to chastise me and the article I wrote: The Jewification of Jesus. It is a tedious exchange but worth reading because it illustrates how two people who claim the same God can sit so far on the opposite sides of the fence. The adage, “divide and conquer” comes to mind here and one thing is certain, Americans are a divided people and this is just ducky with our New World Order masters.

From : Shirley

I've liked many of your articles, but this particular one entitled "The Jewification of Jesus" makes me feel real sorry for you.

You said: Jesus Christ came into the world in fulfillment of Old Testament prophesy but with the expressed purpose of establishing a New Covenant, not with God’s chosen people, but instead with all of mankind. This New Covenant freed man from the Law (government) and made salvation dependent solely upon the relationship an individual had with God. In other words finding favor with God and salvation was not based upon what you said or did, but what you believed and felt in your heart.

Alan, do these words ring a bell? "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves." James 1:22.

I know you don't want any part of the Old Testament; however, you deceive yourself claiming to know Jesus because Jesus IS found in the OT. The OT covers Jesus' coming the first time, His actual time on earth, and His future coming again. Without the OT, you know nothing because your foundation in the New Covenant is cracked and falls apart.

You need to re-educate yourself on the "New Covenant" as described in Jeremiah 31:31-34:

31: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34: And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

It's quite evident that you belong to one of those religious branches that subscribes to "Replacement Theology" by believing that the "church" replaced the Jews as God's Chosen People. If that were the case, what "church" was Stephen talking about in Acts 7:37-38?

37: This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

38: This is he, that was in the CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS with the angel which spake to him in the Mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us.

Gee Alan, I'll bet you thought that the "church" came into being at Pentacost in the Book of Acts. Surprise,it was already there!

I also suspect that you haven't paid much attention to The Book of Revelation that is Jesus' Revelation--not John's. It says so right there on the first line. If you had paid attention to this Book, you would know that Jesus is coming back to Jerusalem, not Rome or Washington D.C. Eeee-haaa!

Remember this little scripture? "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." John 4:22.

Since you claim to be separate and apart from the Jews, then you obviously based your theology on a Hellanistic Paganism that allows you to pretend that YOU ARE GOD and make your own rules. You obviously pick & choose the New Testament scriptures that you want to believe and throw the other ones away that don't fit what you want to believe. Romans 9, 10 & 11 along with Ephesians 2 are obviously scriptures that you refuse to believe. Too bad! Without understanding your role of being grafted-in the tree (Jewish tree), you have nothing--no Christ, no covenant, no hope, and no God in the world!

You said: The New Covenant was an astounding gift because under it men were free to live their lives as they pleased without interference from other men; especially those in government and those who claimed to rule with God’s authority.

Get a clue my friend. We either follow law & order or we have chaos where nobody is free. Nobody can be on their own and remain "free" because we ALL answer to a higher authority, or authorities--gang or war lords, elders, board of directors, stockholders, IRS, the community, or the HIGHEST AUTHORITY of all--GOD made up of the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit and they are ONE.

You said: Martin Luther made a crucial mistake in his Reformation; he left the Bible, the one given to us by the medieval Catholic Church, whole and intact. The Protestant Bible, unfortunately, still contains an Old Testament with its Old Covenant and a New Testament established by the New Covenant. This is unfortunate because the two Bibles being together as one, gave an element of validity to Old Testament doctrines which are counter to and at cross purposes with the New Covenant scripture.

Let me tell you that you're quite confused. The Catholic Church didn't write The Bible. There wasn't a single Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, or Quaker involved! It was written entirely by JEWS under the influence of the Holy Spirit!!! Yup! All of the manuscripts used to compile the Holy Bible were written JEWS in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek--not a single one in English, French or German.

Alan, do you remember to which ethnic and religious group these men belonged--Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, and Paul? Huh?

Did you forget that these men HAD NOT WRITTEN the New Testament when they were living and preaching? Those poor guys preached and lived the Torah, the Prophets, and the Psalms. Over and over they'd make references to that OT. Just think how much clearer their preaching would have been if they had had YOU New Covenant believers to tell them what they needed to know!

Your hero Martin Luther got a few licks in against the original perverters of the Gospel. However, Luther accomplished nothing more than to spawn a swarm of deceivers who preach a different Gospel than Jesus and the apostles.

There's a good reason why Rev. 17 describes the Woman on the Beast as "The Mother of All Harlots." If she's a mother, she has DAUGHTERS who came out of her, and yes, the daughters are harlots too. After all, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Let me point out what your brand of NT believers practice that your Mother taught you daughters:

#1 Teach us that Jesus (God Junior) appointed you great guys to form your own religion by giving you the okay to "kick the old man's stuff to the curb" because Daddy is out to lunch

#2 Tell God Senior that His choice of a day for worship doesn't fit YOUR style. I mean setting Saturday aside to worship HIM that created you and sustains you is not going to happen because YOU want Sunday instead and you don't care what the "old man" said.

#3 Fooey on those "feast days" because WE like Christmas and Easter instead. After all, those are Jewish Days even if that OT clearly tells us that they are "GOD'S Feast Days"--not Jewish ones. Try reading Lev. 23 just to prove me wrong.

Why you guys even follow your Mother by celebrating "Resurrection Sunday" BEFORE Passover. After all, what's the big deal about recognizing Jesus rising before Jesus dies? Semantics!

Lastly Alan, let me just remind you of something you obviously overlooked in reading John 5:45-47.

45: Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46: For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

47: But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Anyway Alan, I truly feel sorry for you and others like you who reject God's Truth. You ignore God and seek your own way. Jesus phrased it well when He said:

"He who says, "I know Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him." 1 John 2:4.

From: Al

Please don’t feel sorry for me. I am a born again believer in Jesus Christ who has been saved. Therefore, your concerns and sympathy are unwarranted.

Now that you have established yourself as my judge, please understand that generally speaking, the quotes you used, from my perspective, apply more appropriately to you than me. Therefore, most of what you say is nothing more than self-righteous posturing which has no substance validity. If we are going to continue this discussion, please stick to the facts and use logic and reason to demonstrate the validity of your conclusions. Quoting from the Bible means nothing without an explanation of why you think the quote is appropriate to the situation.

You start your letter by quoting from my article and then use James 1:22 to imply that I am only a hearer who is deceiving himself. My quote was:

“Jesus Christ came into the world in fulfillment of Old Testament prophesy but with the expressed purpose of establishing a New Covenant, not with God’s chosen people, but instead with all of mankind. This New Covenant freed man from the Law (government) and made salvation dependent solely upon the relationship an individual had with God. In other words finding favor with God and salvation was not based upon what you said or did, but what you believed and felt in your heart.”

As a Christian, would you please tell me what you disagree with in this quote? From my perspective, it embodies the very essence of Christianity and if something in it offends you, then I believe you are deceiving yourself into thinking you are a Christian.

Please try to understand that it is not that I don’t want any part of the Old Testament. There are some things in it that are interesting and useful. It’s just that nothing in the Old Testament is necessary for being a Christian and certainly nothing in it is binding upon Christians. This was best expressed by the Apostle Paul in Hebrews 9:13 which reads: "When He (God) said a new covenant, He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." Yes, the Old Testament foretold the coming of Jesus Christ. So what? How is this knowledge going to help me know Jesus who I have already accepted my Lord and Savior. Do you really believe that Old Testament prophesy gives validity and purpose to a Covenant which is growing old and about to disappear?

As a Christian, it should be self-evident that I subscribe to “Replacement Theology”. The New Covenant replaced the Old in its entirety. Not one word of it is valid for Christians. Unfortunately, there are a whole heap of mis-guided Christians out there who like the Pharisees of old, put their doings and self-righteousness ahead of God. Furthermore, there is no such thing as God’s chosen people. We are all brothers and all God’s children including the Jews. To posture that some group of people or nation have special favor with God is not only absurd but is repugnant to Jesus Christ and his teachings.

Gee Shirley, who other than yourself gives a rat’s ass whether Jesus is coming back to Jerusalem, Rome, Washington, or Harlem. Eeee-haaa! What is the point you are making? I prefer to think that he is coming back to the planet and all of mankind. For example, if He comes back to Bangkok, I may miss Him because I can’t afford to go there.

I do not claim to be separate and apart from the Jews as human beings. However, my religion is very different from theirs. Like me, they are God’s Children but unfortunately for them, they have rejected Christ and for so doing will be condemned. I pray that someday all Jews will accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Is there any other way for a Christian to think? If so, please elaborate.

No, I am not God and I do not make my own rules. However, I do not think that I have to think and act Jewish to be a Christian. Does this make sense to you? You keep talking about my picking and choosing from the New Testament, yet this is exactly what you are doing from the Old Testament. You pick quotes and lessons that serve your purposes, but reject everything that you see as an inconvenience. For example, I assume take great pride in abiding by the Ten Commandments. In Exodus God commanded his people to honor the Passover for generation to generation until the end of time. Do you follow and obey God in regard to observing the Passover? Does any Christian? If you think the Ten Commandments are binding upon us, why do you ignore what is obviously an 11th Commandment? Do you pick and choose the word of God? Please explain!

Where in any of my writings, including my present article, have you ever heard me advocate not obeying the law? And let me clue you in my friend, as a Christian and an American, I answer only to God. If you truly think that you or anyone else should answer to all those other people you mentioned, then I truly feel sorry for you. What a miserable outlook on life you have. I’ll bet you think George Bush is a good President.

I didn’t say the Catholic Church wrote the Bible. However, they did compile it and if you don’t understand the implications of this, then you are going to make me feel sorry for you again. Yes, I remember that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, and Paul were Jews, but they stopped being Jews when they accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Yup! The letters they wrote were written in Hebrew, but what they wrote was pure Christianity which was rejected by most Jews. Have you forgotten that the Jews crucified Jesus? Why do you think they did this; because he was such a good Rabbi?

Martin Luther, “spawned a swarm of deceivers who preach a different Gospel than Jesus and the Apostles.” What in all goodness are you talking about here? Are you Catholic?

I think that is enough for now, so in closing I would like to say there are two Bibles; a Jewish Bible and Christian Bible. The Jews have sense enough to leave the Christian Bible to Christians. However, the same cannot be said of some Christians in regard to the Jewish Bible and this is very unfortunate because those of us who are not able to make this distinction offend God.

From Shirley:

Your rebuttal letter made reference to the 11th Commandment. I plead ignorance about it unless it's Paul telling us "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."

Truthfully, that commandment is redundant because I understood it being included as part of Mark 12:28-31: "The foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' "The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

If you have a different take on the 11th Commandment like the junk I found on Google or Ask Jeeves, then it's irrelevant.

You told me that "Yes, I remember that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, and Paul were Jews, but they stopped being Jews when they accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Yup! The letters they wrote were written in Hebrew, but what they wrote was pure Christianity which was rejected by most Jews. Have you forgotten that the Jews crucified Jesus? Why do you think they did this; because he was such a good Rabbi?"

Keeping the spirit of that 11th commandment in mind, let me answer you by saying--"you are greatly mistaken."

Ask any reputable theologian what language the Apostles used in writing the New Testament. You'll find out it was Koine Greek--not Hebrew. Greek was the common language of the conquered people during that time. Furthermore, the Jews didn't actually crucify Jesus--the Romans did. The Jews didn't decide Jesus' fate for He said: "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." John 10:17-18.

You see Alan, Jesus came to earth with a P-L-A-N. He didn't just run into bad luck or mean, rotten people--the Plan had already been worked out so that Jesus could defeat the devil and gain back His Kingdom that Adam and Eve had lost to Satan when they sinned. If that doesn't make sense to you, then ask yourself why Jesus didn't kick the stuffing out of satan when he tried tempting Him out in the wilderness. If you hadn't heard that before, you need to change pastors and study your Bible.

You said: "....it is not that I don’t want any part of the Old Testament. There are some things in it that are interesting and useful. It’s just that nothing in the Old Testament is necessary for being a Christian and certainly nothing in it is binding upon Christians. .....Yes, the Old Testament foretold the coming of Jesus Christ. So what? How is this knowledge going to help me know Jesus who I have already accepted my Lord and Savior. Do you really believe that Old Testament prophesy gives validity and purpose to a Covenant which is growing old and about to disappear?"

My answer is "YES" the Old Testament certainly helps anyone to know Jesus better. There are still a number of prophecies to be filled plus it explains and proves why God's Word is true like in "forever meaning forever."

You say you've accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, but do you really know Who and What you've accepted? I find that hard to believe. Without the OT, all you have is a distorted image of Jesus and nothing more than a passing acquaintance with Him.

You criticized Martin Luther for keeping the OT in the Bible; yet, he, and countless millions of Christians, saw and understood something that you obviously don't. Claiming to have Jesus as your Lord and Savior without KNOWING Him is like claiming to know your wife without having a clue as to who she was before you married her. How well would you know your wife if you didn't know a thing about her past, her family, ancestry, former experiences, likes, dislikes, loves, hatreds, beliefs, expectations, thrills and chills?

If the OT holds nothing more than "some things in it that are interesting and useful" then what you have is nothing more than a collection of sayings that aren't quite comprehensible because the NT quotes the OT over and over again. Your dismissal of the OT also carries into the NT because God's Word says that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

Once again I'll ask, what scriptures was Paul referring to since the New Testament hadn't been compiled yet?

You said: “Jesus Christ came into the world in fulfillment of Old Testament prophesy but with the expressed purpose of establishing a New Covenant, not with God’s chosen people, but instead with all of mankind. This New Covenant freed man from the Law (government) and made salvation dependent solely upon the relationship an individual had with God. In other words finding favor with God and salvation was not based upon what you said or did, but what you believed and felt in your heart.” As a Christian, would you please tell me what you disagree with in this quote? From my perspective, it embodies the very essence of Christianity and if something in it offends you, then I believe you are deceiving yourself into thinking you are a Christian."

Well Alan, I'll tell you what I find disagreeable about this quote. Your quote presents a rather incomplete and deceptive story. Lots of Christians claim to believe God without KNOWING Him. They "feel" gushy and comfy that they've got Jesus in their heart because they said the Sinner's Prayer and everything is taken care of forever--kind of like a Rotorooter Plumber with a maintenance contract. Their lives don't change but they believe and feel secure. Well, the proof is in the pudding as they say.

God's Word clearly identifies what else is involved besides your feelings and beliefs. "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." Matt. 22:37. How do Christians demonstrate that love? He tells us: "If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15.

You said: "As a Christian, it should be self-evident that I subscribe to “Replacement Theology”. To posture that some group of people or nation have special favor with God is not only absurd but is repugnant to Jesus Christ and his teachings."

Alan, where's your proof on that? If God finds having a Chosen People so repugnant, then can you explain this?

Israel is one of the 100 smallest countries in the world with less than 1/1000th of the world’s population; yet, they've received 167 Nobel Prizes including:

52 in Physiology and Medicine that is 29% of the world total and 42% of the U.S. total

28 in Chemistry that is 19% of the world total and 28% of the U. S. total

21 in Economics that is 38% of the world total and 53% of the US total

12 in Literature that is 12% of the world total and 27% of the U.S. total

9 in World Peace that is 10% of the world total and 11% of the U.S. total

45 in Physics that is 26% of the world total and 30% of the U.S. total

Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce with 145 per 10,000. Compare that to 85 per 10,000 in the United States, 70 per 10,000 in Japan, and less that 60 per 10,000 in Germany.

Israel’s $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

Israel has the highest living standards in the Middle East with per capita far exceeding her Arab neighbors.

Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation —109 per 10,000 people.

Israel produces one medical and technological invention after the other including the cell phone, Intel, Windows XP, and the world's smallest computer to diagnose cancer, etc., etc.

Israel has found ways to make the desert bloom. She raises fish in the desert, grows flowers at the Dead Sea, and raises enough food for herself and exports food to her neighbors.

Oh yes, let's also not forget what happened to the sweet water and green houses growing organic fruits and vegetables in the West Bank which were taken over by Israel's enemies just a few years ago. Gee! It seems that the moment the Jews moved out, insects moved in destroying the crops and the sweet water turned brackish.

Anyway, I think you should be able to explain this away and show me how else God displays His revulsion at them. To me, I can clearly understand why you and others subscribe to "Replacement Theology."

You also said, "Gee Shirley, who other than yourself gives a rat’s ass whether Jesus is coming back to Jerusalem, Rome, Washington, or Harlem." Eeee-haaa! What is the point you are making?

Well, here's my point that will be a shocker to you. Millions of us Christians care and know where the King of Kings and Lord of Lord's is coming to. Unlike you, we don't subscribe to "Replacement Theology." In fact, I'd venture a guess that most Christians who actually read and study the Bible believe it. We don't believe that life will will be business as usual after Jesus comes back. Unlike your statement that you couldn't afford to go see Him if He came to Bangkok, we know that when He comes to Jerusalem, we're not going to give our Lord & King a "Sorry! I don't have the time or money to answer your summons." Alan, you really and truly haven't a clue!

You said: "I answer only to God." Well, think about that the next time you fill-out your income tax return and pay your property taxes. Why, I'll bet you never feel compelled to answer your wife either huh?

You asked if I am a Catholic. "No, I am NOT a Catholic." I believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and the ONLY source of my salvation. I believe that He bought me with His own blood and that there is only one way to God the Father and that's through His son Jesus Christ. This Christian doesn't have a hard time accepting and believing what Jesus said in Matt. 28:18-20--"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

You asked me what I meant when I said that Martin Luther spawned a swarm of deceivers who preach a different gospel than Jesus and the Apostles. "Let me expound to what I already told you in my previous reference to Chapter 17 of the Book of Revelation."

Your question makes it evident that you've never noticed that the Jesus Gospel you hear is NOT the same Gospel that Jesus and His disciples preached. Oh no? Yes!

During the time that Jesus was teaching and preaching, can you tell me where the Bible says that He instructed His apostles to tell people that Jesus was going to die for them and rise again for their salvation? He didn't.

Jesus was quite adamant about telling them, and the demons who knew Him, to "shush or to keep it quiet" instead of announcing it. Furthermore, his apostles didn't even understand who He was and what His purpose was on earth even though they'd been in His company for three-and-a-half years. They didn't "get it" until the Holy Spirit opened their understanding and empowered them to take His message to all nations.

Now, the message they took was the "good news" that Jesus Christ preached and taught. That "good news" was about the "Kingdom of God"--not primarily a message about His life, events, and of His becoming the Savior of the world. Yes, they included those elements, but that was NOT the sole basis of the Gospel which you primarily find today. Does a gospel of "Repent--for the Kingdom of God is at hand" ring any bells for you? Probably not since pastors who preach that are few and far between. If you don't believe that "The Kingdom of God" was the real gospel, check it out for yourself at Matt. 4:23; 9:35; Mark 1:14-15; and Luke 4:43; 8:1 and 16:16-17.

The "good news" which the Father gave through Jesus Christ, was about His Kingdom which is essentially a nation, with all of its citizens, land, and laws, ruled by a government. In biblical terms, a kingdom can also mean a family from a single parent grown into a nation, namely God's Chosen People including Jews and those Gentiles who are grafted into the family, not as its replacement.

The Kingdom of God involves 1) a king, supreme ruler, or governing agent; 2) territory, with its specific location and definite boundary lines; 3) subjects or citizens within that territorial jurisdiction; 4) and laws and a form of government through which the will of the ruler is exercised. If we ignore any one of these essential elements, we will have a distorted faith.

Think about it Alan. If Christians had continued to hear the real gospel, would there be any reason for Jesus to come back and rule with a "Rod of Iron"? Jesus isn't coming back to His church to give it a slap on the back and to "high-five" them with a Way to Go Dude! Quite the opposite. Anyway, I hope that clarifies what I meant about the swarm of deceivers preaching a different gospel.

In closing, let me answer your question related to: "In Exodus God commanded his people to honor the Passover for generation to generation until the end of time. Do you follow and obey God in regard to observing the Passover? Does any Christian? If you think the Ten Commandments are binding upon us, why do you ignore what is obviously an 11th Commandment? Do you pick and choose the word of God? Please explain!"

Alan, it gives me great pleasure to answer these questions for you. I say, "Y-E-S! This Christian absolutely and unequivocally says Y-E-S to the Ten Commandments, Passover and ALL of God's Feast Days and the Sabbaths as He commanded!

I'll just let that finalize matters and let you have the fun of figuring out what kind of Christians would do that.

From Al:

At first there were 11 Commandments on three tablets, but Moses dropped and broke the third tablet and rather than own up to the situation, only passed on 10 commandments to his flock. Hopefully, you realize that I am joking. God commanded much in the Old Testament. When I referred to an eleventh commandment, I was making the point that to only adhere to the original 10 because they were written down together is doing a disservice to Him. Get it this time or are you going to argue that there are only Ten Commandments because those are the only ones that God numbered?

The Romans crucified Jesus? Come on Shirley! Didn’t the priests, elders, and the other Jews have Pilate release Barabbas instead of Jesus? When Pilate asked the mob what He should do with Jesus, didn’t the Jews cry out for his crucifixion? And didn’t Pontius Pilate wash his hands of the crucifixion and declare himself to be innocent of the blood of this just person [Jesus]. Yes Shirley, it was Roman soldiers who performed the actual crucifixion, but anyone who is not trying to rewrite history can clearly see that it was the Jews who brought it about. What’s your problem in this regard?

Indeed, Jesus Christ had a plan. His plan was to establish a New Covenant with mankind and ultimately sacrifice Himself for our sins. By resurrecting the Old Covenant you necessarily deny the New. Therefore, it is you and others like you who are working against God’s plan and once again crucifying Jesus. Are you doing this out of ignorance or because of the need to elevate the Jews in the minds of Christians because this Nation is committed to fighting their battles in the Middle East?

In your first letter to me you state that, “Without the OT, you know nothing because your foundation in the New Covenant is cracked and falls apart”. In this most recent letter you go on to say that the Old Testament certainly helps anyone to know Jesus better. Then you go on to say that without the OT, all you have is a distorted image of Jesus and nothing more than a passing acquaintance with Him. These are strong statements that cut to the very heart of our discussion. This being the case, I think you are obligated to back them up. Aside from the fact that the OT foretold the coming of a Messiah which Christians believe to be Jesus, would you please identify what else there is in the Old Testament that helps us to know and love Jesus better. Please quote the verses in question and explain why the knowledge imparted helps us be better Christians and is so crucial that without it, Jesus is not our Lord and Savior and we only have a passing knowledge of Him.

How do I explain all the contribution Jews have made to the world? Obviously, the Jews are a gifted and talented people. That’s how I explain it. And yes, they were God’s chosen people in the Old Testament. Does this mean that they are God’s chosen people in the New Testament? You imply that because they are gifted and talented, it necessarily follows that they are chosen and by so doing are denying the New Covenant. There is nothing in the New Covenant about a chosen people. Being “chosen” as a people is unique to the Old Covenant and has nothing to do with Christianity. Get it? Of course not, because you have us believe the ridiculous notion that the Jews are chosen people making defending them at all costs a National priority no matter how far it drives this Nation into insolvency and no matter what the cost to the rest of the world.

Among the ramblings which comprise the last part of your letter you say that the Kingdom of Jesus Christ “is essentially a nation, with all of its citizens, land, and laws, ruled by a government. In biblical terms, a kingdom can also mean a family from a single parent grown into a nation, namely God's Chosen People including Jews and those Gentiles who are grafted into the family, not as its replacement”. Then you go on to say that the Kingdom of Christ “involves 1) a king, supreme ruler, or governing agent; 2) territory, with its specific location and definite boundary lines; 3) subjects or citizens within that territorial jurisdiction; 4) and laws and a form of government through which the will of the ruler is exercised. If we ignore any one of these essential elements, we will have a distorted faith.”

The above words, beyond any doubt prove that you are operating from a hidden agenda in keeping with the New World Order designs for the world. To hold that God’s kingdom involves territory or borders is absurd. God’s kingdom is all encompassing and has no borders. Furthermore, unless the Jews acknowledge Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they never will be saved. Preaching a different gospel? You are a deceiver who is preaching a different Gospel. A Christian who tithes, who observes the Passover, who believes the Jews are still God’s chosen people, who believes God’s law should be man’s law, and who believes that religion is government and the Church should rule mankind, is not a Christian because all of things are repugnant to God and the ministry of Jesus Christ.

This exchange began as a result of my article “The Jewification of Jesus”. The main thrust of this article was that there is a movement afoot in the world to turn Jesus into a Jew because His gospel and teaching are anathema to our New World Order masters. Your diatribe has proven these points far beyond anything I could ever have written myself. Thank you for helping us find the truth even though it is not “the truth” you subscribe to.

Alan Adaschik

March 2008 – Forum Update

Three people wrote in to comment upon my latest article, “The Economics of Disaster – Part I”. The first person, Lew, thought I was worse than the enemy. Left unsaid is why he thought I was worse than enemy. I guess he thinks I am the anti-Christ. Imagine that! In the United States of America today, if you are opposed to Fascism, then you are worse than the enemy.

From Lew - Damn - you don't get it, do you? You are worse then the enemy...

From The Constitution Forum - All I want is the government that I am supposed to have and you call me the Enemy? As an American and a citizen you truly are pathetic. I will pray for you and hope that someday you wake up.

Have a nice day.

From William - That's an excellent article that I am sure you put much time and energy into. Ron Paul is a real life hero, but he doesn't look like the Hollywood version of one. It is hard for people to think the unthinkable, because they have been conditioned to believe mankind is really better than the Bible says it is. We are largely sold the other candidates on their looks and likeability, without really checking their record behind the scenes. Interesting, because our adversaries check out everything about us. They leave nothing to chance. I thought the article on Rense.com by Ted Tweitmeyer was very insightful this week. I read some more about the Russian revolution and gulags recently, and the sheer evil of it all is revolting, yet we seem to have remembered nothing from history. They were at war with decent and right thinking people, yet good people there have been propagandized.

From Susan – And it looks like even the service industry is disappearing. We can only survive today by taking in each other's wash, polishing each other's toenails or selling each other socks from third world countries. Even that will eventually collapse. I am making approximately twice what I did in 1999, but can no longer afford to go out to nice restaurants or spend much money on new clothes, music or travel. I keep paring back and paring back and it causes a chain reaction down the line. Businesses I used to frequent have to pare back or raise prices or both. We no longer buy birthday gifts or exchange Christmas presents. How sad is that?

We're told, "Go back to school, learn new skills," but school tuition is increasingly expensive, even the community colleges are only hiring adjunct teachers to keep from paying benefits. With a lot of people needing two jobs just to keep home and hearth together, what time is there left for school and studies, research, supplies and textbooks? Borrow the money? The less you have, the more you need it, the more it costs to "rent".

From Me - When I was a kid only fathers had to work. During my middle years, both mothers and fathers had to work. Now, even the kids have to work in order for a family to make ends meet. And our government calls this progress! What it really is, unfortunately, is Americans being forced to chase and pay for a debt that continually grows faster than our money supply. As bad as this is, the worst part is that this ever increasing spiral of economic activity is depleting the world of its resources and driving us to the brink of environmental collapse. For validation of these points, go to and read:

The Economics of Disaster – Parts I and II

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February 2008 – Forum Update

I sent my article “Creation vs. Evolution out on my general E-Mail list. I received a number of responses in reply and want to share the following one I had with Dave. Dave initiated this exchange with a plug for his video items on Creationism available on YouTube. Dave’s offerings are in blue and mine in black.

From Dave:

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From Me:

I think you missed the point and intent of my essay. First of all, I did not eliminate the possibility of a creator. What it did was compare Evolution with Creationism as exemplified by the creation myth of the Bible. Within these two categories, intelligent design is not intelligent and Evolution is the far better theory for what we find in nature; but as acknowledge, it is not perfect.

I am a Christian and certainly believe in a Creator, but my creator is not a myth like the one of the Old Testament. Certainly we need a better theory for how we got here, but please don't posture that the creation myth of the bible is that better theory because of the obvious problems with Evolution. It is not and this is the point of my essay.

From Dave:

What do you do with these verses?

For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11

And Jesus answered and said unto them, for the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. Mark 10:5, 6

And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. Matthew 19:4

[Jesus speaking] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:37-39

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse. Romans 1:20

And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly. 2 Peter 2:5

For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1 Timothy 2:13,14

And so it is written, the first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1Corinthians 15:45

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1Corinthians 15:22

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Romans 5:14

For by him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16

He [Jesus] was in the world, and the world was made by him and the world knew him not. John 1:10

Most False religions have multiple authorities and the progressive creation theory is another example. The Bible plus "science".

From Me:

It appears that you are one of those who have a problem separating the living God from the Bible. The Bible is not God, it is only words and words must always be understood within the context within which they were written. Jesus, the son of God became man for a purpose; to show mankind the one true God and save him from sin. With this in mind, had he denounced the Old Testament as being a fairy tail, he would have been crucified before being able to get his message across. When asked about the Old Testament scripture, he did not say that every word in it was the sacred word of God, instead, he responded that it was "useful" for teaching. Useful? That doesn't sound like much of an endorsement to me. Useful for teaching! The quotes you listed sound like valid examples of a useful use of the Old Testament for teaching something that has nothing to do with the salvation of man. You can hang your hat on this pole if you want to, but I prefer to pay attention to the message for which Christ died to bring us.

And another thing! Science is not a religion. Instead it is a systematic and logical approach to discovering the truth. To be true science it must be religion neutral. But I personally give science much more credit than this. God is truth and this being the case, true science glorifies God. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Fundamentalist Christians not only do not understand this, they actually think science is the enemy of their religion. Think how pathetic this must look to the eyes of God. He gave us a mind, body, and soul; three wonderful and glorious gifts and Fundamentalists treat one of these gifts like it was a curse.

From Dave:

My "problem" is I believe the Bible, both the OT and NT while you apparently have no qualms attacking it using your wisdom and intellect.

The Bible is not God, it is only words and words…. I suppose, using your logic, John 1:1 had nothing to do with the Bible and therefore can be discarded as well.

With this in mind, had he denounced the Old Testament (you probably mean Genesis) as being a fairy tail….. More speculation on your part and a typical technique of evolutionists.

…message that Christ died for to bring us… I believe this as well, but do you know for sure you have eternal life and have the witness according to Romans 8:16.

Instead it is a systematic and logical approach to discovering the truth… Again I agree, but evolution doesn't fit the scientific approach because it is based on faith. I am still trying to find the transitional fossils that should be in the strata and why is there are no ancestors in the Pre-Cambrian layers?

Since this verse doesn't mean what it reads, can we assume that the 10 commandants which follow are suspect as well. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11

Think how pathetic this must look in the eyes of God. He gave us a mind, body, and soul; three wonderful and glorious gifts and Fundamentalists treat one of these gifts like it was a curse. At the judgment seat of Christ the saved will be enlighten on the errors of their ways while on the earth and perhaps God will find it interesting that what Moses wrote in Genesis was a myth..

1 Timothy 6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

From Me:

Looks like I got you dander up a bit. No matter, that is my intent.

In all honesty, you are far more intelligent than most people I duel with on line and I really appreciate this because of the challenge. Therefore, out of respect, let me tell you a little bit more about myself so you’ll be better able to understand where I am coming from.

First of all, I am the real deal; a born again Christian who believes Jesus Christ is my lord and savior. Second, I am a student of our Constitution who believes that the government our Founder gave us was the end and logical result of Jesus Christ and his Ministry. This being the case, I am a true blue patriot who believes our government has been overthrown by the New World Order and the murder of JFK by this group of people, because he had vowed to expose them, was the direct result of the original coup which overthrew us. Both political parties pay homage to the New World Order and both parties are controlled by people who are traitors to this Nation and its people. This being the case, our electoral process is a farce similar to professional wrestling and the present so called contest is nothing more than bread and circuses for the ignorant masses.

As a Christian, I take the fact that Jesus Christ died to save us from sin and establish a New Covenant with mankind very seriously. The Old Covenant was behavior oriented and its Levitical Laws were a code of conduct that governed every aspect of the lives of the early Jews. The “Law” was their government just as our laws today have become our government which controls almost every aspect of our behavior such that there is little freedom left anywhere. Jesus Christ, among other things, came into the world to free mankind from the Law. Under the Old Covenant, finding favor with God was behavior dependent and as a result, the Church was the government. Jesus freed mankind from this despotism and under His New Covenant, salvation became dependent upon an individuals relationship with God and his fellow man. It was this freedom from the Law (government) which eventually led to the Renaissance and its final result was the government given to us by the Founding Father’s.

The greatest evil on the march in the world today is religious fundamentalism and this includes Christian fundamentalism which in my opinion is not really Christianity. In truth, Christian Fundamentalists are cultists who have twisted Christian dogma to such a degree that the New Covenant has been forgotten and the Old once again taken hold. Therefore, Christian Fundamentalists truly are the new Pharisees, so enmeshed in the law and their doings that they have forgotten Jesus Christ and His message. They truly are “wanna be” Jews because like the Jews of the Old Testament, they want to make religious dogma the basis of civil law. The surest sign of Christian Cultist is their advocacy of tithing; a Jewish Levitcal law that has nothing to do with being Christian and everything to do with being a member of the Cult. Another sign of this anti-Christian cult is political activism which has manifested itself in two particular ways; the pro-life movement and Creationism.

Our New World Order Masters want us under their thumb and what better way of doing this than through a Christianity that has been transformed into a modern day form of Judaism. If people can be dumbed down into thinking they have God on their side and should try to turn earth into heaven, then all things are possible and this is exactly what is behind the union of Christian Fundamentalism and the Republicans. Fundamentalist Christian ministers in their lust for power and money are selling their flocks and this Nation into bondage in the name of Jesus and for this they will be bitterly condemned by Him. Jesus wants his people to come to him willingly; without compulsion, yet the hallmark of the Christian Fundamentalist movement is to use our government in a misguided and un-Christian attempt to make God’s law man’s law. This ultimate stupidity plays right into the hands of the Globalists and is one of the means they use to have their way with us. All we have to look to our Fascist president, George Bush and his invasion of Iraq which would not have been possible without the support of this Nation’s religious right. Religious right! What an oxymoron! There is nothing right about Christian Fundamentalism. In truth, it is anti-Christ and its adherents unwittingly do the work of Satan.

Now that you know and understand where I am coming from, I will address some of the comments you made in your last E-Mail.

Your “problem” is not that you believe in both the Old and New Testaments. The problem is that you are a hypocrite because you only subscribe to either when it suits your purposes. For example, you hold that tithing is a Christian responsibility when it is nothing more than Jewish Levitical law that has nothing to do with being a Christian. Why don’t you refrain from eating pork and wrap your hair around your ears? These are Jewish Levitacal laws also. Why do you embrace tithing and ignore them? Why do you think tithing makes you a better Christian? You say you believe in the Old Testament. In Exodus, God commands Moses to observe the Passover from generation to generation forever. If you believe in the Old Testament, why do you not observe the Passover as God Himself commanded? Why do you pick and choose between God’s commandments and only obey the ones that suite your purposes?

As far as John 1:1 is concerned; God is God, Jesus is Jesus, and John is John. This means that John is not Jesus or God and what he said in 1:1 should not be construed to mean that the Old Covenant has been resurrected at the expense of the New. John has no authority to do this and neither do any of the other apostles. In 1:1, John expressed some very nice sentiments that he fervently believed to be true. But what did he really say. Did he say you should tithe or did he say you should observe the Passover? You tell me which is true.

There are parts of the Old Testament that are myth (fairy tales) and there are parts that are not. The creation myth does not jibe with the physical evidence we find in the world and the tale of Noah and his ark is an absurd impossibility. This is not speculation on my part, but irrefutable facts. Because I recognize them for what they are, irrefutable facts, does not mean I am using techniques of the Evolutionists. It means I am honoring God and his creation by recognizing the truth. Have you noticed that Fundamentalists care nothing for the truth. They live a dream world that, after all is said and done, is an abomination to God.

I know I have eternal life because I love God, love my fellow man as I love myself and accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. Romans 8:16 says I should consent to the law. Again I ask which law are you talking about; tithing or observing the Passover?

You said that Evolution does not fit the scientific approach because it is based upon faith and that you are still trying to find transitional fossils. Here again you demonstrate your misunderstandings of Evolution and the fossil record. Evolution is a theory. It becomes a fact when it is proven to be true. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the fossil record, Evolution will never be conclusively proven to be true. Therefore, you will always be able to level the charge that it is being accepted on faith. However, a preponderance of the evidence (the fossil record) indicates that it is true. By accepting that it is, I am going with the evidence even though it is not conclusive. This is not faith. Instead, it is common sense. What you would have me do is reject all the evidence because it is inconclusive and take a quantum leap to believing something which goes against all the evidence. This is not faith or common sense. Instead, it is lunacy.

As far as transitional fossils are concerned, every fossil is transitional and the best example that comes to mind is the coelacanth. Stop treating everything you see around us including ourselves as a destination. Like all living things, we are a journey not a destination and each of us at this small and inconsequential point in infinity is but a small part of that journey.

From Dave:

I deal with evolutionists all the time on YouTube who are abusive and vulgar and the only time I become emotional is when I am laughing.

Perhaps you should visit my intro page at http://youtube.com/user/BereanBeacon and read my profile which may help you understand my position on America. Also a brother in the Lord and personal friend, Dan Marvin, has done much investigative work into JFK's murder and was asked by the CIA when he was still in the military to kill the man who photographed the body which he declined to do and he observed another who was approached. Dan's interview at Part 1 Dangerous was My Name Killing was My Game, Part 2 Dangerous was My Name Killing was My Game covers his time in Vietnam and reveals how our government operates illegal activities.

America, America - by Dr. Jack Schaap
A U.S. SOLDIER'S FUNERAL - AND CALL TO PRAYER

The law was given to point out sin because without the law there is no sin Romans 5:20. Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, thou shalt not covet.

…finding favor with God was behavior dependent… While true the OT saints had to have faith as well according to Hebrews chapter 11.

…salvation became dependent upon an individuals relationship with God and his fellow man. No where in the NT does salvation depend on our relationship with others. If you really believe this then you have added to the free gift (Romans 5:15-18) of God, which also means what Jesus did on the cross was not finished.

Another sign of this anti-Christian cult is political activism which has manifested itself in two particular ways; the pro-life movement and Creationism. So every Christian for the last 2000 years who believed the literal reading was part of a cult? I am not sure what you mean by "political activism". I vote and am aware that we cannot vote our way out this mess.

Mark 10:5 ,6 Matthew 19:4 (Jesus was a creationist) With this in mind, had he [Jesus] denounced the Old Testament as being a fairy tail, he would have been crucified before being able to get his message across. OK, suppose I agree with this absurd statement, what prevented the apostles from telling the new converts in the book of Acts that Genesis was a myth? Based on your logic, I suppose they feared being charged by the rulers and upsetting the new converts or they themselves were kept in the dark by Jesus after his resurrection. No where in Acts did the myth secret leak out and for that matter else where in the Bible. The apostle Paul was not taught of men but received from God directly what he should write down and God for some reason withheld from him this important bit of information about Genesis and kept it a secret for 2000 years until the vast wisdom and intellect of mankind was able to discover that Moses wrote the first fictional book of the Bible.

Why don't you refrain from eating pork and wrap your hair around your ears? Tithing? This means nothing to me. There are no dietary restrictions in the NT and the Lord loves a cheerful giver.

The Bible is not God… and As far as John 1:1 is concerned; God is God, Jesus is Jesus, and John is John. This means that John is not Jesus or God and what he said in 1:1 should not be construed to mean that the Old Covenant has been resurrected at the expense of the New." How do you come up this stuff from John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. After reading your this statement I seriously doubt you are saved and if so are shipped wrecked. This mish-mash of illogical reasoning cannot be endorsed by the Holy Spirit which means that if you are saved your conscience is seared so that you would follow a delusion.

There are parts of the Old Testament that are myth (fairy tales) and there are parts that are not. The creation myth does not jibe with the physical evidence we find in the world and the tale of Noah and his ark is an absurd impossibility. According to your vast intellect and wisdom God was not able to do it and Jesus lied again. [Jesus speaking] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:37-39

As far as transitional fossils are concerned, every fossil is transitional. I get this all the time from godless evolutionists who have changed the word "fossil" to "feature" to cover up for the missing evidence. Steven Gould and others have said there are no transitional fossils and he probably would have found it amusing for this subterfuge.

Carl Sagan, "The only truly intellectual dishonest position out there is the position that tries to wed Genesis with big bang cosmology."

I am not suprised at your heretical and apostate beliefs because in the last days many will be drawn to a false gospel and remain on the broadway to destruction. Your god uses mutations and survival mechanisms to bring in the joy of deformity and death while the God of the Bible is the author of freedom from the consequences of sin.

From Me:

I take back what I said about your being intelligent human being. I do this because it is clear you have not understood most of what I have said. For example, you quote Matthew 24:37-39 and use this to conclude that I that I believe God has limitations and worse, the Jesus Christ is a liar. First of all, I place no limitations on God. Certainly, he is capable of miracles. However, what I believe is that one of the miracles he gave us is a world that makes sense. Another miracle is gave us is mind that can appreciate the world He made. How you can twist this my limiting God’s power is beyond me.

As far as Jesus being a liar goes, didn’t we establish that Jesus establish that Old Testament scripture is useful for teaching. Again is say, the operative word is “USEFUL”. When Jesus referred to Noe and his ark he was using the well known and accepted story to teach a lesson. This being the case, you are dead wrong to jump to the illogical conclusion that because Jesus used this story that it was his endorsement that the story was true. You are even further off base when you conclude that if the story is a myth, buy using it, Jesus makes Himself a liar.

Your thinking is typical of Fundamentalists and this example illustrates how faulty your thinking is. You read words that mean something and because you want them to mean something else, you jump to illogical and ridiculous conclusions which allow you to wrongfully think you have discredited the original something.

So it is with Evolution and the fossil record. Evolution and the fossil record make a myth of the Biblical account of creation. There are shortcomings in the fossil record, therefore let’s toss out Evolution and Latch onto Creationism which is in keeping with the Biblical account of creation, never stopping to think that we do have a fossil record and even though there are problems with it, to toss it out because we want to believe in a God who is a mindless magician is ridiculous and absurd. And then to add insult to injury, you posture that you are the one who is being reasonable and scientific. Excuse me while I take a minute to go and throw up.

I do not think we are getting anywhere here, so let me close with these thoughts. Jesus Christ established a New Covenant with mankind as foretold by God himself in Jeremiah 31:31-33. This New Covenant was meant to replace the Old in entirety as established by the Apostle Paul in Hebrews 9:13 which reads: "When He (God) said a new covenant, He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." This new covenant was explained in John 3:16 which reads, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, that whoever believes in Him should not parish, but have eternal life.” All of the forgoing being true please explain to me what in God’s name do we have to know or need in the Old Testament to find eternal life and be a better Christian. I’ll answer this question for you; nothing, nada, zero, zilch. Do you get my point?

Of course not because you are a Fundamentalist Christian who wants to add a whole lot of mumbo jumbo to Christ’s all important message so you can feel superior to other Christians. Well, let me tell you something and this is coming form a born again not so humble soldier of God. By embracing the Old Testament and giving it equal credence with the New, you offend God and worse, you turn people away from Christ because they are not will to embrace a Christianity which requires them to toss their brain into the toilet. Therefore, and hear my words carefully because your immortal soul hangs in the balance; your religion is not Christianity. Instead it is anti-Christ and a curse upon mankind. You claim God, but do the work of Satan and for this your and your kind will be condemned.

Have a nice life.

I thought my exchanges with Dave were over at this point but during our exchanges I mailed out the following announcement.

Subject: Now we know who the enemy is!

In the late seventeen hundreds, the thirteen original colonies fought a revolutionary war to become a free and independent nation. This war was
Fought against imperial Great Britain and because we defeated this nation most Americans think we won. However, unknown to most of us today is that our Revolutionary war was also fought to free America from the international bankers who controlled the civilized world at that time. We defeated England, but not these people and in 1913, with passage of the Federal Reserve Act and the creation of Internal Revenue Service, these robber baron bankers undid the American Revolution and turned Americans from being citizens back into subjects and indentured servants. Since 1913, America is no longer a free and
independent nation and most of us have no clue as to what happened to us or why.

If you care to know the shocking truth about what transpired then watch this five
partYouTube video at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-fD78zyvI

It will take less than an hour to do so and beyond question, this is the most important video you will ever watch in your life. Our future prosperity and well being depend upon it. Not just financially but as a species as well.

From Dave:

While I commend you for your stand on the constitution, it is not the main issue facing America. The shocking truth is the Bible has been removed from our schools and the vacuum that was created is being replaced by the brain washing of secular institutions that hate God. Since all law schools now teach that our constitution is a living document and is therefore subject to the evolutionary principles that you say brought man to his present position. Why do you defend the constitution written by men and trash the Bible? Nearly all the founding fathers were Bible believers and probably more fundamental then we are today and would come under your condemnation as enemies. I still haven' been able to understand your rational for this belief about fundamental Christians.

Dr.Sam Gipp wrote a pamphlet called “We Are Americans” were he gives quotes from many of the men that form our early government and courts. Dr. William Grady wrote a book titled How Satan turned America against God and it is endorsed by a Jewish (not a Christian) scientist who was the father of the neutron bomb, because the book contains much of what he tried to tells others years ago and was ostracized.

Dear Dave:

Our Constitution has not evolved. Instead, it is ignored and thereby, grievously violated. This is my fundamental bitch. If Congress violates our Constitution, I am offended, but what is even more offensive is when citizens go along with and accept the violations. This means they have violated the trust I place in them. All citizens have a duty and obligation to defend our Constitution and when someone fails in this duty, they are a traitor to the rest of us. The main issue facing America is the violation of our Constitution and as citizens, all other issues pale in comparison. The Bible being removed from our school is a personal issue, not an issue of governing and governance.

My rational for my belief about Fundamentalists is as follows: Old Covenant = Obey the law; New Covenant = Love God; Christians = Love God; Fundamentalist = Obey the law. Therefore: Fundamentalists = Old Covenant; Christians = New Covenant. Conclusion: Fundamentalists do not equal Christians. Get it?

I am in the middle of writing an article for my website entitled “The Economics of Disaster” so I can't devote much more time to this.

From Dave:

Subject: Re: Remove because of Alan's irrational thinking

You have no concept of the founding of America (probable a result of America's failed educational system) and the Bible so you have some paranoia idea that Bible believing Americans want laws to dictate some New World Order (which is in the making by Satan). There has never been a law that will change a person's heart. I have never believed America was a Christian nation and have no desire in wasting my time trying to create one. According to the Bible (probably a myth) the world is going to be under one ruler (anti-christ) and one religion. It is apparent to me that you have had little contact with Bible believers and must of had a bad experience with those that claim to be one. As for heaven on this earth, that is a basic lie of those who are trying to establish there own filthy rags of self-righteousness, which is by the way through their religious laws, and
circumvent the righteousness of God which is Jesus Christ. According to
Romans chapter 13, we are to obey the government and it's leaders even though
there is much disagreement with them.

If the OT is of no consequence today then open all the prisons and eliminate the courts since America's laws came from the Bible.

Why did Jesus keep referring to the OT during his ministry and what did Peter preached that caused 3000 orthodox to be converted in Acts 2 and another 5000 in Acts 4 without the NT?

Alan, the Bible says to rightly divide it, both the OT and NT.

From Me:

You have been removed.

However one more parting shot:

Fundamentalist want to turn America into Christian Nation and God's heaven here on earth. In so doing their ultimate goal is to legislate morality and behavior. This philosophy of governing is un-Christian and a characteristic of the Jewish faith. It also happens to be what our New World Order masters want; thus we have the union of those tyrants with Fundamentalist Christians. They are philosophical brothers and both are purveyors of the same kind of tyranny. However, it is the Fundamentalists who are the dupes for these global criminals.

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